gailsimone:

Okay, here’s the thing.

There will always be people who want to be hall monitors, people who look down on the way you express your love for the things you love.

They are not usually important. I’ve run into this attitude many, many times.

I’m not going to pretend the comments didn’t irritate…

hnio:

Even if we did not get romantic or hot Nagron scenes in focus in the last episode but we could see many Nagron moments in the background or the foreground showing that they belong together.
Let us see these moments below.

Agron defending „his boy”.

And you blame Nasir you lazy…

Thank you so much for capping these, especially these:





and extra-especially this, which I had wondered if anyone else had noticed:



Is it just me, or does anyone else find it really adorable when they touch foreheads? Like in the making-out scene in the hallyway in ep 8, there were sooo many points where their foreheads met, and I think that made me all warm and fuzzy just as much as the lip-bite or the o-face! In fact, if I recall correctly, one of the “forehead-meetings” *involved* the o-face, with him coming to rest his head against Nasir’s as he was “coming down”. Too adorable! XD

~ WolfenM / hellyeahtrickster

Sparty doesn’t love Mira like Nagron — they’re more lke friends with benefits. Rhaskos & Chadara didn’t love each other. Gblaber & Seppia don’t, whatever Seppia thought at first. Lucretia and Ahru is horrifying. The wait with Nagron suggests a deeper meaning, much like Crixus and Naevia had too wait (even if that wasn’t a situation of their controlling.) When we do see the boys together, it will be a gift, not them ion display fr us like we’re romans at a party with an orgy in the background. This teasing glimpses of more affection than sex is, to me, MUCH better than the causal banging of everyone else. But I won’t say no to seeing more, I’m just enjoying them taking their sweet time. ;P

~WolfenM, aka hellyeahtrickster

agronandnasir:

Still, it’s all starting to feel a bit affected on the part of the show’s creators. If sexuality is so “integral” to the canvas that is the show (why else do we need to go back to the whorehouse each week?) then why have we not seen Agron and Nasir in flagrante delicto? Think of it—we’ve seen…

See, that’s just it. *I* still see Nasir.

I saw him welcoming the newcomers and getting to know them, and getting lifted into a bear-hug by Lugo. I saw him offering moral support to Mira and Naevia. I saw him grieving Chadara. I saw him fighting the Germans after Sedullus stirred things up. Part of the brilliance of the series is that there is sooooooo much going on in the backgrounds of the scenes, so much more story happening than just the dialogue. Even when the characters are in the foreground, there’s often some beautiful, unspoken stuff happening. If he’s arguably been a bit underused of late, well, he got a lot of screentime after first being introduced — they can’t all get big, juicy parts every ep. I’m sure he’ll get more again.

But Agron’s a slightly more important character, so if Agron’s gotten more scenes without Nasir than Nasir’s gotten without Agron, or if Nasir’s been used to shore up Agron a bit — offer support and help Agron grow as a person — that makes sense. Nasir is supporting cast, Agron is main. But there’s a difference between JUST shoring up another character, and doing so *and* also developing one’s own at the same time. Aside from all the stuff I mentioned, we’ve seen Nasir go from shy to bold — like when he got a bit drunk and tried to hit on Agron (with that suggestive little eyebrow raise when he was holding the wineskin). He noted when Agron went through the crowd to try to bury the hatchet with Crixus — we saw his little smile as he realised what Argon was doing. And Agron would never have done it if not for Nasir, so I really don’t get the idea someone else posed that he’s useless now. It may be subtle, but he’s had great influence on Agron simply because of who he is, and that’s not nothing. And I’m sure he’ll have influence on others besides Agron. The romance is *part* of his character, but I hope I’ve shown that there *is* indeed more to him.

Anyway, I think it says a lot that it took them so long to get to this point in their relationship — I have a hard time connecting to Mira/Spartacus because their relationship seemed to me to have been based on sex *first* rather than, as with Nagron, a deep bond that has now taken on more physical intimacy. (I’m not against Mira/Sparty, I like them, but when Nasir suggested Sparty loves Mira, I was all “are you sure?”)

And my love for Nagron is not just because they are a slash couple: *I’m* bi-poly. Whether it’s boyxboy, boyxgirl, or girlxgirl, or any variation of genders, or even androgyness, at the end of the day, what I want to see is *love*.  That’s what I see in Nagron — and have a very hard time seeing in real life. And just because I see and treasure it doesn’t mean I or any other Nagron fanatic are oblivious to any other aspect of the characters or the show.

If it’s madness to celebrate love and find such joy in it (I suffer from depression a lot, and little has made me as happy of late as Nagron), then I guess I am mad!

If there’s not enough non-nagron in the Spartacus tag for your liking (and I don’t mean specifically nayaritism — I very much appreciate that you’ve taken the time to explore other’s feelings,; this is more in reply to another post I saw), consider adding more non-nagron content *yourself* instead of suggesting others should stop posting what they enjoy or assuming that just because you don;t see value, others shouldn’t either or that it’s not there to be found. :)

~WolfenM, aka hellyeahtrickster

nayaritism:

Excellent points! I loved this! And I know for me, I’ve never been Anti-Nagron, just more Anti the madness of it all. But I guess that IS because I’ve been there through the Barca and Pietros relationship, that DIDN’T get this kind of love, and that relationship broke me. So it’s interesting to have another side of the opinion with this with fresh eyes, not still holding on to Barca and Pietros. And my only REAL gripe with this is for the love of gosh can we bring Nasir THE CHARACTER back, not just the romance. 

heybrando:

First, an important bit of context:

For all the love the Nagron pairing gets, their moments take up less than 2 minutes of what is an hour-long show. We’ve taken longer (and more explicit) trips to the whorehouse in every episode than what we’ve gotten out of Nagron - and their pairing makes up…

thatisludicrous:

“Re: The complaints that the German was hard to understand. Were they speaking Modern German? I would have thought Old German, which *shouldn’t* really be all that intelligible, unless you’re an expert in ancient languages! XD”

Well, yeah. They were. There were a few terms here and there that aren’t colloquial, but other than that… “Bei dem Gedanken geht mir einer ab”, translation in subtitles “Cock hardens at the thought”, is about as colloquial and modern as can be. XD

It was a bit like everyone was mumbling into an epic beard or something.

Ah! Thanks for elaborating! :) So it’s kinda like when I hear Americans saying Japanese stuff and they’re totally saying it wrong. XD (I’m not fluent, but I’ve watch enough anime in the original language over the last twenty years to know a few things, mostly the really common words, and cringe when they get messed up by a non-native speaker — especially in a movie or TV show, where you’d think there would be some adviser around to tell them how to say it correctly and stop misinforming the public. XD)

(Source: wolfenm)

the-deus-ex-machina:

Just re-seeing the Spartacus series and something hit me…

WHEN did Agron really fall in love with Nasir? Was he in love with him when he saw him train with Spartacus(After Nasir tried to kill Spartacus)

With the “Pity”-comment

OR

When Nasir told Agron( And Spartacus) his real name?

I bet he was *attracted* to Nasir when Spartacus freed him from the collar, in just a “Gee, he’s kinda cute” sort of passing way. I think he started to *fall* for Nasir during the training, but didn’t really know what to make of his own feelings. So he decided to get to know Nasir better by asking his name, and felt a connection with Nasir when he learned that Nasir had a brother. And it just kinda snowballed from there. :)

sweetupndown:

you thought I didn’t really notice. But I did. I wanted to high-five you.

Yesterday I had a pair of brothers in my store. One was maybe between 15-17. He was a wrestler at the local high school. Kind of tall, stocky and handsome. He had a younger brother, who was maybe about…

(Source: kissing-whiskey)

darksigyn:

hellyeahtrickster hat auf deinen Eintrag geantwortet: 13, 26

I would consider myself a pagan agnostic, too. :) I believe we are all gods, and that when we pray, we are really discussing things with our fellow beings in a sort of celestial group commitee, but I do also believe…

(hellyeahtrickster, here — this is my personal blog.)

To an extent, yes, but you are speaking like one preclude the othe, and personally, I feel there is a lot of overlap. Also, Pantheism doesn’t seem to support a concept of individuality/ god developing into smaller parts, though, or a sense of Archetypes, very well — it seems to leave the universe as unthinking and all things being part of the same organism rather than separate beings working together. But I can’t help but feel that, once you are born, you are never fully a part of your parent again. “Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.” But I do believe in god-forces being born and becoming more powerful than other forces. Cebrities become gods through our worsphip — the fact that they are physical doesn’t matter. They become focal poinst of power. I have patron deities, even if I believe they were created by man rather than the other way around. I often anthropomorphosise things. I’m definitely pagan — Sekhmet, Loki, Artemis, and Oestre in particular have my reverence.

“Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.” While I may have my personal deities, at the end of the day, I also believe this. These gods may be entirely in my head. There may not be anything out there at all — or one of the other faiths I don’t ascribe to may actually be correct (though in some cases I sincerely hope not). I don’t believe anyone actually knows one way or the other. So I am thus also agnostic.

Even amongst particular faiths, there are disparaging views of what those believes entail — it is the same with any word used to define a philosophy. The closest word I have found to what I am is Gaian, hence my fantasy series being called Gaiankind. But I called myself a pagan agnostic for many years, and I think it does still describe me pretty well in a lot of ways— and so does pantheist. :) I don’t see it written anywhere that only one word or phrase should be used to describe one’s beliefs — in fact, I’d say the more you can use, the better, because it suggests you’re making an effort to be open-minded, not dogmatic. :)